Informatie over Jean Marc Henri (Henry) Grivel

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Poorter te Amsterdam 11 februari 1789, testeert 6 juli 1789, notaris Wilthuysen.

Mijn grootvader heeft in 1956 geprobeerd informatie over Henry (Henri) Grivel te achterhalen. Dit is het antwoord dat hij van het archief van het canton Vaud in Zwitserland kreeg:

                               Lausanne, le 3 mai 1956.
                               Maupas 47

Société d'études généalogiques
Grüneckweg 26
B e r n e

Monsieur,

         Nous avons bien reçu votre lettre du 23 mars 1956
qui a retenu toute notre attention.

         Nous avons cherché dans les registres d'Aubonne la
naissance d'un Henri Grivel aux environs de 1751, malheureuse-
ment sans succès. En effet, la naissance d'un Henri Grivel
la plus proche de 1751 date de 1762, ce qui ne concorde pas
avec les dates fournies.

         Par contre, nous avons trouvé à la date du 23 janvier
1751 dans le registre de la paroisse de St-Livres près d'Aubonne,
la naisance d'un Jean-Marc-Henri Grivel, fils de Pierre-Isaac
Grivel et de Françoise Tripod. Il n'est pas impossible qu'il
s'agisse là du personnage au sujet duquel vous nous demandez
des rensignements; il aurait alors porté son troisième prénom
de baptême ce qui est courant. Mais ceci est une hypothèse qui
ne peut être confirmée que par l'identification des parents;
ce moyens de preuve ne pouvant se trouver qu'en Hollande, nous
nous bornons à vous transmettre les rensignements qui précèdent.

         Veuillez agréeer, Monsieur, nos salutations distinguéees.
                               Archives cantonales vaudoises
                               L'archiviste:
                                 [...]
                               GL. Dessemontet

Er is één doop inschrijving (die van zijn dochter Marguerite) waar Henry Grivel als “Marc Henry Grivel” genoemd is.

Doopinschrijving in de Oude Waalse Kerk in Amsterdam, 1794.

“Marguerite, née le 16 febr. Fille de Marc Henry Grivel & Jannetie Ringelenberg, baptisée la V.E. les 19 febr. par Mr. S. de Chantepie. Temoin le Pere.”

Een van de andere doop inschrijvingen (die van zijn dochter Anette Anrietta) heeft als getuige een Louis F. Grivel. Mogelijk is dit een broer of een oom van Henry?

Doopinschrijving in de Oude Waalse Kerk in Amsterdam, 1792.

“Anette Anrietta, née le 13 Aout. Fille de Henry Grivel & Jeans Rengelenberg, baptisée le 15 Aout a la V.E. par Mons. J. S. Robert. Témoins Louis F. Grivel, presenté par le Pere”

Het volgende is een artikel (origineel in het Frans, vertaald in Engels) over de plaats St. Livres in Zwitserland.

THE VILLAGE OF SAINT-LIVRES AND ITS CHURCH

For brief and incomplete reasons, some historical notes relating to our village and church will not only interest parishioners and friends, but—we believe—may stimulate the spirit of sacrifice and generosity, both are moving and worthy of being imitated certain facts of a distant past.

A French friend asked me one day if Saint-Livres owed his name to the holy books, that is to say the Holy Scriptures. In reality, our village owes it to Saint Libere who was bishop of Rome (pope) of between May 352 and September 366, mixed with the serious controversy provoked by Arianism, which denied the divinity of Christ, Libere was very badly treated by the Emperor Constance, a supporter of Arius, and was even banished to Berea from 355 to 358. Is it he who, according to legend, was at the origin of the village built near what may have been a hermitage? We do not know it. What is certain is that in a very remote period, the village was located on this kind of promontory overlooking the valley of Aubonne, in these places that still today are called “The Chapels” and “The old motier” (from moutier: monastery).

Here are some facts duly attested: In 1259, the parish of St-Livres was ceded by Pierre de Savoie to the convent of Grand St-Bernard, which it depended until the Reformation. In the cantonal archives, one can read the story of two church visits, one dating from 1416, the village with 60 fires; the other from 1453 when there were only 35 homes in St-Livres, the plague having plagued and decimated the population.

It is between 1453 and 1457 that an extraordinary event takes place, a veritable tour de force when one thinkgs of the available at the time. Waters of the Aubonne have dangerously eroded the hillside and are threatening the village with collapse, the inhabitants—in the space of 4 years—moved their houses, their church and their dead to the site that St-Livres occupies today! The cantonal archives carefully preserve a manuscript describing in every detail the consecration of the rebuilt church, a great feast which took place “on the Saturday preceding St-Denis martyr, the 8th of this month”, that is to say on the 8th October 1457. From this act, written in Latin two days later, we extract this passage:

“Because of the floods, especially those caused by the so-called Aubonne water (Albona), this parish church, from the place it occupied, was transported to another place of the parish, the rebuilt and reconstructed sanctuary, restore the altar of stone in the choir, as well as the cemetery of the said church, which was consecrated in honor and under the name of Blessed Liberius, confessor and pontiff.”

So remembering those fifteenth-century believers who have made such efforts and sacrifices to save from their threatening destruction not only their homes, but the common spiritual home that is the House of God, it is worthy and just that our efforts and our sacrifices add to those of the past, to ensure the future of our venerable sanctuary.

The restoration will certainly not upset the aspect of the church of St Livres where the elders of us will have no trouble finding themselves “at home”! If the project provides for the restoration of the choir whose traces are visible in the attic, this is not a novelty or a fanciful addition, but also a restoration in the true sense of the term. It is known that in the 16th century, under the Bernese regime, the church of St Livres was partially destroyed by a fire due to “fire from the sky”, and that the affected part was also only partially rebuilt.

With all our heart, we wish and ask God to be blessed with the work that will be undertaken. At a time when astronomical sums are being spent on armaments to ensure the security of the country, believers will not refuse to do their best and their due for the glory of God and for a worship worthy of Him to continue to be celebrated by and for those who come after us!

Our grateful thought goes to all those faithful and shepherds of the flock who have contributed to and help to maintain and spread the Gospel of Christ in this part of the world. When visiting the church from 1453, the serving of the parish of St-Livres was Dom Franciscus Baloz. How many and who are they who have succeeded him for 500 years? Perhaps one day it will be possible to draw up a list of those who have exercised their ministry here, especially since 1536. In this same feeling of gratitude, let us quote at least the pastors whose names appear in the parish registers. still in use: Pastors J. Perret Sr., L. Borle, VE. Banderet, P. Divorne, P. Guigon, L. Graz, L. Zimmer, E. Marion, N. Haller, A. Tripod and Ch-L. Gagnebin, until January 1st, 1944.

Lord, I will enter your house with sacrifices, and I will pay my vows to you! — Ps. 66/13

Saint-Livres, on the eve of Ascension Day 1965.
Ch. Clot, past.

Henry Grivel is het einde van het onderzoek naar de Grivel naam in Nederland. Het pad leidt nu naar Zwitserland, waar genealogisch onderzoek een stuk moeilijker is.

Voor iemand die geïnteresseerd is in onderzoek in Zwitserland, en met name in en om St. Livres, de website van John McCoy bevat een hoop informatie over primaire bronnen. Dat is een goed punt om verder te zoeken.